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Everyone should pay their fair share

April 13, 2013

To the editor: Well the SS is at it again.The Slick Six wants to stick it to the residents of south Cape Coral once again. First it was with our water bills and paying for the north water plan....

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lightswitch

Apr-17-13 7:51 PM

I see tonight on the local Cape Crash News The residents again get to pay more of the freight on water and sewer.

Rumor has it the burrowing owls are looking for utilities inside their boroughs, especially in the NW. That will make the density appear like it makes more sense!

Hey Kevin how is the replacement of all 139 bridges going for you. May be you could bring up an ordinance that states they heaviest passenger must exit the vehicle and walk across the bridge? Then as you pointed out we would not have a situation as what occurred in Minnesota on an interstate bridge. Quite a comparison by you. Inspect the bridges, reduce the speeds.

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lightswitch

Apr-15-13 3:14 PM

How quickly the lemmings forget the conditions in Cape Coral in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. 2011, and 2012.

Season has ended, # of building permits is up in Feb in Lee County is up 74. If 25% is in Cape Coral that is up 19. If 2.5 people are in those homes for how many companies and employees competing for those building dollars. And that is without utility tax. Watch the city cut its own throat. What the 3 legged stool turn into a balancing act on 2 legs. What is being sold here is the value to sell your home is not going up anytime soon. If that is crap why so many rental homes? Hmmm. Those rental homes should bring in more tax if for no other reason there SHOULD be no homestead credit. City can't even get to work when they do it wrong!

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lightswitch

Apr-15-13 2:56 PM

Meihle how can you say fa get a bout it!

You see John it is just one more thing that was screwed up.

John is all about moving forward in the same direction we have been drifting for decades.

John you moved hear in 2002. Being the educated individual you are put a date on when on when you will be able to recoup your real estate investment hear or even break even? You said you were in residential and commercial so you must have a date in your mind? HaHa Who the*****is going to want to build here or even buy here with a utility tax, or even the city tax if it has the appearance it is low because they change the amounts on different line items. I am pretty sure unless you get a Marine Corps style cut you will be a loser financially. Unless of course you pass it on to your children and may be their children. Like you said you won't be here (nor I) for a real recovery! But I am open to listen to your thoughts to see if they are any different to the sprinkler system you expoun

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lightswitch

Apr-15-13 2:34 PM

Edray yes and the equipment amount was just for the equipment. The entire project with the building built etc. was to be over $46 million dollars.

Has the city sold the equipment for 25 cents on the dollar yet?

And to J Miehle the change orders on the water plant numbered 1,134. Stated by Jeff Pearson at a council meeting on Cape TV. Not 1, 2, 3, or 4!!!

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onlythetruth

Apr-15-13 6:34 AM

1Sandy, twisting the truth does not help the cause, no matter how many times you repeat it. Work with facts, they produce much better results because they cannot be challenged. Stop giving a pass to the actual council who cowered to his wishes when they sat on the dais. You simply cannot blame someone for something they did not do. If that council had any backbone at the time we wouldn't even be having this conversation. That's the fact of the matter. Was he a force at the time? yes, but only because the sitting council made him one with their vote. Otherwise, he would not have had nearly the influence regarding the UEP.

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1sandy

Apr-14-13 12:37 PM

@onlythetruth: So Mayor Sullivan got that Council to stop the UEP and when Mayor Sullivan was elected he kept the UEP shut down and now we are to blame the Council who acquiesced to the residents, led by Mayor Sullivan, who showed up for townhall meetings held in Council Chambers & in a Church? I don't think so. This was Mayor Sullivan's gift to the "rate payers" and hopefully wise candidates will bring this to the forefront and remind those rate paying residents that their high water bills are because of Mayor John J. Sullivan. As far as the North R/O plant not being neccessary, if were going to stop the UEP it wold still have been neccessary if only to do maintenance on the South Water Plant. But we didn't build it to stop the UEP now did we?

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1sandy

Apr-14-13 12:25 PM

@lightswitch: SAYS, "John not even you would have voted to spend $25 million for equipment for a project not even engineered, not financed with cash or bond, to sit on a vacant lot north of Pine Island road rusting." No, but there it sat for how many years as Mayor Sullivan reigned, before it was actually put up for sale on gov****? So allowing it to sit for what, 2 years is it, does indicate complicity and/or certainly, poor or lack of management skills, in my humble opinion.

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onlythetruth

Apr-14-13 7:51 AM

netransplant, you are correct in the fact that he was a driving force in the revolt against the UEP. However, how about placing the blame for the project being stopped where it belongs, with the actual sitting council that voted. The Mayor wouldn't have acheived his goal if not for those sitting on council at the time. Here's a thought, if the sitting council at the time actually continued the UEP it would have run for 2 more years until the Mayor gained the 5-3 advantage on the dais. Put the blame where it belongs......

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SLovejoy

Apr-14-13 7:37 AM

Jmiehle: Yes look it up John, don’t just believe what they tell you, I know you have been a police officer all your life, I will gave you the info in person so that you can see for yourself how corrupt that company is! Next the only reason it hasn’t come out here is because too many city people are, and have been involved. Look at the way they roll, they send the city staff to meetings to get the public to think the people are behind and issue, like the swim center when anyone with a brain knows that it is a scam.

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CapeCoralCuestions

Apr-13-13 11:10 PM

Wow! You can sure tell it's election season. The No-FACTS creatons are starting to poke out their heads from their caves! Even Jan and Slick Willie are out in the sun! (you remember Willie of the Drunk Tank fame, right?)

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netransplant

Apr-13-13 7:55 PM

Onlymytruth, Sullivan was the reason the UEP halted, despite your fantasy. He was the driving force in turning a very loud vocal minority against the sitting council. And now what, I have to pay more for the UEP than I would have four years ago? Is Johnny going to write me a check for the difference?

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1Edray

Apr-13-13 7:54 PM

Lightswitch- Are you talking about the equipment for turning sludge into pellets? The cost of it was around 7 million. The 25 million was for the building which was never built.

Galt- You really have no idea how Municipal debt is structured. It will not be triple the cost. I'll find out the right figure after the weekend and post it up. Operating costs aren't part of debt service so don't try to tie them together.

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onlythetruth

Apr-13-13 6:58 PM

A point of correction needs to be made here, it was not the Mayor and the Fab 5 who stopped the UEP, it was the council immediately previous to them that put the brakes on. I am all for holding people accountable, but one must have their facts straight in order to do so. With that being said everyone knows that when they came aboard, (the Mayor and his "like minded" counterparts), they did do everything in their power to prevent it from starting again.

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JMiehle

Apr-13-13 6:12 PM

OK, the North RO plant is what it is and complaining won't can't change that. The good side is, we are good with that through build out. It also provided the ability to do maintenance on the South plant that hadn't been done for 35 years.

I disagree with the alleged corruption on MHH's part. Mr. Pearson said there were three or four change orders and he'd neve seen that many on a 100 million dollar project. What planet is he from. Ever build a house, probably 50 or 60 at a fraction of 100 million.

I want to see the review audit Townsend did on the plant. That will tell all of us what is what.

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johngalt

Apr-13-13 4:57 PM

The propaganda programs the sheeple sooo good. You buy a house for $150k, live there 10 years, make payments each month (largely interest) sell it for $170k you feel smart!(?) Never mind that you paid $50-$70k in interest over the 10 years. Yes, the Kismet RO plant will cost the Kape Koral taxpayers a half a billion by the time it’s paid off. That doesn’t include operating and maintenance cost of which the labor will have lifetime benefits & pensions for the city employees. They need to hook up as many homeowners, in as many ways as possible, soon! They need the cash to start flowing. But, for now, they’ll just squeeze all the current water customers to death.

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lightswitch

Apr-13-13 3:35 PM

John not even you would have voted to spend $25 million for equipment for a project not even engineered, not financed with cash or bond, to sit on a vacant lot north of Pine Island road rusting.

This was not the work of Sullivan or his so called block. It was the work of a poor mayor and council before them. Why that equipment can not even bring 25 cents on the dollar.

Like I stated elsewhere I do not agree with you very often. Why even you could understand that even Mayberry would not buy 50 police cars if the town only had 2 police officers. Or would you be planning in a proactive way to be ahead of the curve?

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lightswitch

Apr-13-13 3:26 PM

E Ray now add the interest (more debt service to pay) for the 30 years that triples the amount. If you figure is correct to a TOTAL over 30 years to $420,000,000. Pretty close to 1/2 a billion. An when you figure in the $25 million spent on equipment on a sewer project that never was passed it gets you even closer. Rumor has it councilman McClain is going to have that equipment put in his front yard to make a planter out of it. However I also heard their is some question as to who it really belongs to, Bertolini, Day, Tate, or Burche

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lightswitch

Apr-13-13 3:07 PM

The audit Sandy was not BS audit. It was given to a BS council before Sullivan even thought of running. You need to question Bertolini, Day, Mayor Burch (who's business was doing some of the design work.). Burche did not vote but he definitely had a hand in offering his expert(?) opinions. Receiving damaged brass valves and other equipment the city had to pay for not sending back to the manufacturers? Think there should have been red flags going up that Mayor Burche and that council needed to address? These are only some of the reason the was not BS should have been started way before Sullivan was elected. The funniest part is after 19 yrs the city finally finds out it has been holding too much money for utility project. I hope those payments include interest even on the 10 cent rebates. "If we fail we will fail together." Says councilwoman Erbrick. Hopefully it comes quickly and we start from scratch! Bring on the state receiver. Then you'll see land sell, homes built, val

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bobbie

Apr-13-13 2:40 PM

you're so right about MWH, and tell Lovejoy he can find all the results in Deile's car trunk.

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bobbie

Apr-13-13 2:39 PM

Thanks be for some knowledgeable people out there. Thank you Edray for correct #s, and some day they'll all be so glad to have that plant. And BTW, Sandy1

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bobbie

Apr-13-13 2:39 PM

Thanks be for some knowledgeable people out there. Thank you Edray for correct #s, and some day they'll all be so glad to have that plant. And BTW, Sandy1

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JMiehle

Apr-13-13 12:07 PM

Look up MWH Steve. Oh Ya, look up what the FAB 5 said with the mayor leading the charge about all of the rampant corruption. Then they vote to spend $200,000 with their favorite consultants to investigate all this corruption. What happened, they changed from the corrupt UEP to all the corruption at the North RO Plant, what about the other corruption ? What happened with the North RO rampant corruption. The mayor and FAB 5 said we stood to collect MILLIONS in paybacks. Show us the money ! Nothing happened because there was NO CORRUPTION

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1Edray

Apr-13-13 11:27 AM

Hmm, the 1/2 billion dollar RO plant that we didn't need had nothing to do with it?

I love how the cost of the water plant keeps going up. :/ Half billion, really?

The actual cost was around $140,000,000 including infrastructure and the well field.

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netransplant

Apr-13-13 11:02 AM

Charlie66 must be Sandy's neighbor! To the letter's author, who will pay for your road when it needs replacing? Do we reassess another impact fee on you when it's time?

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johngalt

Apr-13-13 10:10 AM

So we're in this mess because we stopped the UEP. Hmm, the 1/2 billion dollar RO plant that we didn't need had nothing to do with it? Paul Krugman economics, I guess?

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