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Council to vote Monday on fire sprinkler ordinance for new homes

April 6, 2013

The Cape Coral City Council will decide whether to require fire sprinkler systems in newly constructed and extensively remodeled homes Monday....

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jr4623

Apr-24-13 11:09 PM

most fire hydrants i see are lavender recycled water? phila has yellow hydrants potable and green ones with high pressure untreated water used for major fire

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jr4623

Apr-24-13 11:09 PM

most fire hydrants i see are lavender recycled water? phila has yellow hydrants potable and green ones with high pressure untreated water used for major fire

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djraal

Apr-09-13 10:27 AM

As I said JGalt this is just an other creative way they are trying to raise money for the send happy clowns in the city council, It need to stop. NOW they have no right to screw us out of our money.

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Raydunavant

Apr-09-13 10:02 AM

Looks like Lurch got this one stuffed up hi nose.

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johngalt

Apr-08-13 6:10 PM

We have a commercial building that has a sprinkler system, connected to City Water. Monthly fire line charge is about $40 additional on our water/ sewer bill. (Bear in mind it does not use a drop of water unless activated) We are required to have annual inspection (by CCFD & private contractors) for the alarm & the mechanical (hydraulic) bits ,plus monthly alarm monitoring (commercial only). When the system was installed we inquired as to why it could not be connected to the “dual water”. Water is water, right? The fire don’t know the diff. ? The city official(s) stated that the city needed the option of turning “off” the dual water (during dry periods) and that they’d be open to problems with building owners (insurance companies) if fire sprinkler systems had “zero” pressure.

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YouRjokingright

Apr-08-13 3:03 PM

Sam, let the homeowner decide if they want a sprinkled home or not. Someone on council has hidden motives just like Rosado. Hate to tell you Sam, our building market is artificially inflate right now. It's mostly foreclosures being renovated, all of us can barely afford our homes as is and you want to increase the cost to new Home owners? why don't you force them to get a monitored fire alarm too Sam, ask the majerkajokes, they know all about sucking the city dry, right cccia?

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YouRjokingright

Apr-08-13 2:57 PM

So we are gonna trust the same bozos that bought a 14 million dollar piece of land then turned around and cried we are 20 million in debt?? The same clowns that created the new public safety tax to cover their spending spree? The same lame-o's that hired a city manager with a tract record of delegating HIS responsibilities out to others? I think the Majerkajokes and the greedy cccia are back at work!! Boy they are in for some news tonight

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djraal

Apr-08-13 1:08 PM

this is just one more way to get the money from the property owners. An other fee,permit and so on that they can tac on to the building of a home so they have more money to waste, nine people should not have the power to do this to the citizens of Cape Coral, the power of the city council most be limited the are not competent to run this city in an efficient way, the last forty years have proven this over and over.

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lightswitch

Apr-07-13 9:04 PM

I do realize a hospital needs more in flow and thus the 10" diameter pipe.

We also know the residential homes are picking up part of the tab for the outflow/sewer. Don't we.

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lightswitch

Apr-07-13 9:01 PM

Why is there 10 different diameter pipes and 10 different pay tiers then. Are you saying the city just pulled the different diameters out of the air for the fun of it. If that is the case lets have just one size 10" which it the top tier.

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lightswitch

Apr-07-13 8:55 PM

The figures sandy1 were per capita per person to get you up to speed. The figures were from IRS. The stste of Florida figures encompass some of the drop dead poorest people in the state. You don't get around the state much do you Sandy. Keep pretty much in that air conditioned office in city hall do you?

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1sandy

Apr-07-13 8:13 PM

@pgreen668: There is an official that is going around stating to anyone that will listen that the water inside the pipes of these sprinklers have to be chlorinated. Is that true. It was further stated that if the water is not chlorinated that biological slime will build up inside the pipes and when the sprinklers are activated the slime will clog the sprinklers rendering them useless. Also, because chlorine eventually breaks down in time when in water, maintenance, in the form of draining these supply lines and refilling them with chlorinated water, must be done periodically. What say you?

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1sandy

Apr-07-13 8:04 PM

@lightswitch: You see, when you can't make a point with facts, lightswitch counts on lies. Lies that he hopes no one will check. Here are the facts for income in the Cape. Just Google Cape Coral median income and the facts mysteriously pop up. Enjoy reading the facts!!! Liars, I hate them all!

In 2000, the median income for a household in the city is $43,410, and the median income for a family is $47,503. Estimated median household income in 2009: $48,043 (it was $43,410 in 2000) Cape Coral: $48,043 Florida: $44,736

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pgreen668

Apr-07-13 6:42 PM

I would like to point out that a tremendous amount of incorrect information is being tossed around as truth. First fire sprinklers don't just activate by themselves as one reader said. The odds are 1 in 16 million of an accidental discharge. Second, there is no maintenance required by a contractor. The homeowner can do the monthly inspections themselves. Finally the utilities. The ordinance does provide that if a 1 inch meter is needed(5/8 inch may provide the needed flow) the only charge will be the cost difference between 5/8 and 1 inch meter. In addition, the impact fee for the 1 inch meter will be charged at the same rate as a 5/8. Just because a 1 inch meter is installed doesn't mean more water is used. It is generally understood that if domestic demand is met then water is available for sprinklers. Lastly smoke detectors reduce the chance of dying in a fire by 50%. Sprinklers by 80%. That's more than .2%. Get your facts right.

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Raydunavant

Apr-07-13 6:03 PM

Sam, you are going to nit pick over 8 cents! The economics still are awful. read and refute my arguments if you can.

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SamCCbuilder

Apr-07-13 5:52 PM

I am a builder in Cape Coral and the only builder putting in Home Fire Sprinkler Systems in new and remodels for the past 3years. First of all the cost that the CCCIA is quoting is incorrect. They never call me for information and I regret to say I have been a member for many years. Real cost for new home is less than $1.70 per square foot and for remodels $1.95-$2.10 per square foot. If you want the real facts about home fire sprinkler systems ask a builder who has installed them, not a builder/politician that couldn't get re-elected and lobbied for building industry against State Wide Mandate. There are many areas of country that mandates fire sprinkler systems and there is no evidence that it has affected home building industry. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, I just remind you to get the real facts and then decide. One place to start is going to NFPA site or NFSA and get educated. Sam@islandharbor****

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lightswitch

Apr-07-13 2:17 PM

Some good reading on John Szerlag Troy Michigan. There he did reduce staff here you have a city council that if the population dropped to that of Mayberry the staff size would remain the same and the pays and pensions would still climb above normal economic condition rates. More interesting reading on WHY a city like Stockton, Ca. is in bankruptcy. It is not given by rival politicians but a California Think Tank. Very similar to Cape Coral and it might give insight to before, during the bubble why people who were calling for restraint in spending were told they were so wrong.

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lightswitch

Apr-07-13 2:08 PM

Anyone that has dealt with insurance rates knows the rates can change instantly. They know many discounts have to be followed up constantly with the insurance companies in general. Average in Indiana $38,000. McClain talks about Indiana This is what an extra $12K can pay...higher taxes. No comparison They know like dealing with wind mitigation there are other costs like changing companies and having another INSPECTION. Not necessarily FREE. It reminds me of the song "Nobody is getting fat except Mamma Cass", the city government being Mamma Cass. 2012 reported for the average worker in Cape Coral, Fl. $24,000. Reported income for 2012 in Troy Michigan Szerlags old stomping ground. $39575 per worker. Now look at your city of Cape Coral staff wages, overtime, and other. I see the term quality of life having meaning for less and less of the governed and more and more of the governors (city staff). Watch how much of the taxes will go into those bloated pensions, mismanaged ov

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johngalt

Apr-07-13 2:07 PM

??Wonder why they saw the need to craft a “companion” ordinance on the matter of impact fees?? So it could be quietly repealed later and let the sprinkler ordinance stand. Cha-ching! My favorite bit is the “extensively remodeled” homes. You’ll need a permit to rebuild after a hurricane, for example. And those insurance boyz carefully exclude “local code & ordinance” unless you pay extra. So imagine you’re trying to rebuild only to find out you’ll need $20K more for fire sprinklers and fees. Can you say abandoned property?

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Raydunavant

Apr-07-13 1:57 PM

JohnGalt, What does the sprinkler ordinance have to do with the RO plant (which, by the way is far from gold plated!). These new users will be coming on whether there is a sprinkler ordinance or not. This obviously only applies to served areas. Will Lurch and company want to require sprinklers in houses in the North?

I also do not understand the correlation to the reclaimed water argument. The companion ordinance states that the house with a sprinkler system will require a 1" meter, but will be charged for only a 5/8" meter.

At any rate this ordinance has no legs...it is going nowhere.

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lightswitch

Apr-07-13 1:21 PM

Looks like with the expense of the !" meters converted from the current 5/8" the rate payers get to cover the costs in their current overpriced rates once again? This also must mean the tier rate changes on the new residents or are they just going to bump all residential 5/8" customers to pay what in NOW the 5/8" tier rate. You hear it from Nesta's own mouth at the Wednesday council meeting. In essences because it has to do with the fire department I am for it. Sort of gives a better understanding as toi the question posed to him in Tallahassee. "Mr. Nests what is going on in Cape Coral?" Interesting to have Mr. Auchebon speak at the meeting and state in his 20 years of home building when suppression system was offered NOT ONE home buyer said yes. Mr. Nesta I did not vote for you, will not if I have to choose again and do not want you making decisions for me. I knew when you were concerned over a possible change in vacation time what had been elected.

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jr4623

Apr-07-13 12:41 PM

what i have read the life saving was .2% over a good working smoke and co2 system. and the national building code board (which has no consumer, industry or citizens rep. it is 100% government employee members)was going to vote against the measure when at the last second a group showed up and was able to sway the vote. that's partially why almost all states have rejected the requirement. the cost is high as is the maintenance and they do go off and do a lot of damage unlike a smoke detector false alarm just look at what would be damaged in a home heirlooms, pictures documents etc. 5k is the average price the water ordinance as we seen can be increased at will no mater the lie the council tells remember $5.00 irrigation and use all you want so unless its put in the charter? as for insurance any savings is only on the fire portion it won't be on theft or windstorm which is the expensive part.and the newer homes and more nonsmoking people will see continue decline in fires

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johngalt

Apr-07-13 7:55 AM

Oh, I remember the words to that song. When the “dual water” ordinance was put in place the water was free and we were told we could use all we want. We see how that turned out. Ordinances, methodologies, fees, taxes, change every two years in Kape Koral, comrades. This fire sprinkler ordinance is a “Trojan Horse” for home owners! More water users at higher rates are needed to generate a greater income stream for the gold plated Kismet RO plant. It is as simple as that.

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Raydunavant

Apr-06-13 7:10 PM

John "uninformed" Galt, read the companion ordinances...your premise is flawed.

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johngalt

Apr-06-13 6:27 PM

The insurance issue is a distraction. (the city rubes have no control or say over insurance cost) The real scam is the water & sewer impact fees and monthly cost. Fire sprinklers require more water (bigger pipe) and sewer rates are tied to water supply pipe size. So you’re hooked up to a bigger pipe with bigger monthly cost on sewer and water (forever), but you don’t actually use the water unless your fire sprinklers are activated. Get it? And the best part, wait for it, if the sprinklers ”go off” the water doesn’t go down the sewer anyway!

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