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March 30, 2013

To the editor: Many of Cape Coral residents might remember that this was our current mayor’s slogan to win the election several years back, with promises of the UEP Audit and many other changes to......

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JustanotherBill

Mar-30-13 7:13 AM

My house is on the market here in the Cape. It is not likely I will buy another one here. I do not trust this train wreck of a city government that wants to recklessly spend the tax payers money for them.

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onlythetruth

Mar-30-13 8:48 AM

Miss Green, the reason for the requested tax increase is not due to mismanagement during the "boom years", it is due to mismanagement during the prior King adminstration and the Fab 5 reign. In an effort to make it appear they were saving the citizens money, they did nothing. As a result the chickens have come home to roost. Now it is left to the current council and city manager to "clean up the mess". Get your facts straight please.

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SLovejoy

Mar-30-13 8:52 AM

onlythetruth, I have to wonder where you get your information,just to let you know Cape Coral is one of the highest taxed in florida and the cost per person to run it is double that of other cities, so I will go with the thought that the city staff are a train wreck and need to be fired.

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charlie66

Mar-30-13 8:54 AM

The people of Lee County and Cape Coral only have themselves to blame>Politicians have been Elected wearing Conservative like a badge of honor!!We have gotten nothing but LIES from them and playing the blame game!King is long gone and the Council has the last say so put the blame where it belongs,Our city council and the so called Mayor.

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Duo008

Mar-30-13 9:53 AM

Stlovejoy...Can you produce real numbers using Cape Coral AD-Valoren TAXES or are you just making up stories again?????

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netransplant

Mar-30-13 10:22 AM

Deborah, you are right to point out the promises of the current mayor and the last council that have failed miserably to find any waste or fraud in past UEP contracts. Sullivan, Deile, Brandt and others got elected by those promises but they were wrong, and they knew it! It was voters who chose not to investigate those promises who got fooled into supporting them, and the result was a total embarrassment to the city and the entire state. That same lack of self checking is evident in the remainder of your letter, shown when you talk about not knowing where the money went. Please do a little research before you write, it really opens your mind. The past council chose not to invest in infrastructure and equipment to placate the loudest because of a housing bust that is not the city's fault. Wealthy politicians making laws to help Wall Street make billions selling houses to people who should know you don't get something for nothing is the reason for those tough times. Move forward.

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1sandy

Mar-30-13 10:35 AM

@onlythetruth: You are correct sir. Miss Green, let us all write to Mayor Sullivan and ask him why a City administration, over which he presided as Mayor, did not use "best business practices" put forth by City staff and address scheduled, infrastructure maintenance and replacement of badly needed vehicles, equipment and road maitenance. The reason I am told, by my email inquiries, is that the Mayor belonged to a group now know as the "kick the can down the road gang." Here, we all thought he belonged to the Road Ahead Gang. So,go ahead, email him and ask him.

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1sandy

Mar-30-13 11:33 AM

@SLovejoy: instead of making phony baloney statements, give us the truth, go on, give us the truth! You can't and do you know why? CAUSE, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

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Raydunavant

Mar-30-13 11:35 AM

1Sandy, Expecting a straight answer from Sully is a waste of electrons!

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SLovejoy

Mar-30-13 1:13 PM

Duo008, real numbers the ones that the city reports to the state.

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SLovejoy

Mar-30-13 1:18 PM

1sandy, you are a fool, I have the facts and you don't like it, I don't see any of your city staff willing to set down with the press and I to prove me wrong. I will set with the news and the city manager anytime.

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Duo008

Mar-30-13 1:49 PM

I guess Mr Lovejoy CANNOT produce real numbers that can be substantiated !!!!

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bobbie

Mar-30-13 2:26 PM

Ms. Green, I was going to correct you when you wrote that you favored Sullivan as Mayor last election to move us forward w/positive, new growth, by reminding you that he was part of a total stop growth group which only called itself by a "Road Ahead" name, but as I read your letter, there were too many things to correct. Obviously you have not had enough yet...that is enough education. Please get some before you add more BS to the Cape confusion. You are confused about the CRA, TIF, the UEP, and the reason why we send reps to Tallahassee. You know nothing of our history, nor our present, so please don't mess up our future with letters like this.

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leadorfollow

Mar-30-13 3:31 PM

I own two homes: one if Ft. Myers, and one in Cape Coral. TRIM notices are as follows: Ft. Myers is 15.7259. Cape Coral is 20.9077. My Cape Coral home has 50% of the value, but my tax bill is only 40% less. $4000 for the Fort Myers home worth over $400k, and $2500 for the Cape Coral home worth $200k. My streets are safe, and my utilities work perfectly. Fire, EMS, and Police departments respond when needed, as do public works personnel. Plus, I don't have to pay a $2 toll when I go to work, or my wife goes shopping and takes the kids to school. Plus no sitting in rush hour traffic getting across the bridges . As a bonus, I live in a gated community with clearly established rules, so I don't have to look at my neighbors junk anymore. Our code enforcement takes minutes to respond, not months.

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Duo008

Mar-30-13 3:43 PM

leadorfollow...so lets see..homesteaded-ed property is in Fort Myers..OK..that is part of it...How many murders in FM last year???

I don't have to pay a toll to go shopping..I shop in the Cape, My kids no longer are in school so that is not a problem...I work out of my house, so again not a problem..How much are your HOA fees every month, in that gated community??

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leadorfollow

Mar-30-13 4:38 PM

HOA fees are irrelevant. That's a lifestyle choice (golf, tennis, dining, fitness, etc...). People wanted real numbers and I gave them. 20.9077 in Cape Coral vs. 15.7259 in Ft. Myers. Argue how you will after that. But facts are facts are facts, no matter how you try and spin them.

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Raydunavant

Mar-30-13 5:21 PM

Lead or follow...what are those numbers? they are not the millage rate. Also, do you homestead both of them, you naughty boy!

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Raydunavant

Mar-30-13 5:25 PM

Steve,

You run a sign/printing company for heaven's sake! Do you have these many spelling and syntax errors on your signs. Have you ever heard of subject verb agreement? Who does your proofreading?

You made a fool of yourself when you ran for mayor, and wanted to eliminate ad valorem taxes. That is a state law, and has nothing to do with Cape Coral City Council.

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lightswitch

Mar-30-13 6:05 PM

The mismanagement of this city was during the boom years and the time BEFORE former City Manager Gary King came on board.

A fool could read what was happening in the economy way before it occurred. Corporations stated they were going to make big layoffs, medium and small companies were following the same line of thinking. The Cape with plenty of information in trade and investment media spoke about housing downturn. However the Cape under the Terry Stewart regime with Mark Mason at the helm in financial services and a council containing the likes of Tim Day, Gloria Tate, Jim Burch, and Mrs. Berolini. They spent what the city had and didn't have. They issued bonds with high interest rates.

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leadorfollow

Mar-30-13 6:07 PM

Homesteading doesn't effect the mileage rate, only the taxable value. Raydunavant: what are the correct rates? Bet they're still higher in Cape Coral.

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linda53

Mar-30-13 6:20 PM

Bye Bill..hope your train wreck ideas follow you because our city shall continue to move forward without you or the negative Rags. As for Steve..imo,he has nothing to base his facts on.never has..never will Its been SOUNDBYTES from the start

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lightswitch

Mar-30-13 6:27 PM

They even borrowed money paying only the interest. They left an empty treasury which Sullivan, Leetz, Deille, and the other so called RAG had to sort out and live wuth. Stewart initiated early buyouts on police, fire, and city with a rash of promotions passed out along with outrageous overtime payouts. These all pushing the pensions higher than normal attrition would have brought. The city was audited by the state of Florida and Stewart was informed of poor accounting practices. Told access to checks was not protected. There was question with off site access to the city's computer. Questionable system with regards to petty cash, Potential problems with confidential PIN numbers. The list went on for 22 pages most of what was refuted by Stewart. Lo and behold after he left and was gone a short time the city had several issues come up regarding these points. As far as cutting back due to the economic melt down the Police Dept took over 3 years to reduce its overtime by 80%. Thre

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lightswitch

Mar-30-13 6:41 PM

As far as cutting this city did next to nothing in reducing staff or reeling in pays that Stewart in some cases doubled. I hear councilman Mc Grail say "we have cut back to the bone." The cuts were never made so how can one make a statement like this. When you have businesses paying in *% and the residences 92% in real estate tax it tells the story. When the businesses are being subsidized by the residential for sewer and trash pick. It also tells the story of mismanagement and stolen dollars. If this was not the case when the residential home owner looks at this years TRIM notice it will be even more evident. Oh and this last piece of work with the Police of saving millions of dollars. Look at the timeline of 25 years. Big Savings? Now go add your assessment for water/sewer, your fire district TAX, your added tax to tour Lee COUNTY ELECTRIC bill. Other communities do not operate this way and if they do it costs less and the taxpayer receives as much if not more. How;s that

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Duo008

Mar-30-13 7:17 PM

Where are the gated communities IN "Fort Myers"??

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1sandy

Mar-30-13 10:24 PM

@lightswitch: You are correct sir. Waste and mismanagement may have started befor Gary and the Playboys but they allowed mismanagement to continue. How else would you discribe the taking of infrastructure funds and using to balance the budget. And I get it, they did not want to hit the taxpayers up for another tax increase after Diele and Brandt already did that under the Burch administration with an election coming. However, an audit of the books by the new and improved City Manager revealed how the RAG's were balancing the books. SHAME ON MAYOR SULLIVAN who will not duck this during his upcoming campaign as well as the Leetz! Sullivan and Leetz were such fiscal conservatives and Gary was such a professional City Manager...Bawhahahaha....all they did was rob Peter to pay Paul!

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